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		<title>By: bessuhDub</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-2950</link>
		<dc:creator>bessuhDub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>friend has given the link has not regretted that has come</description>
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		<title>By: Kr</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Kr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] oczywi</description>
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		<title>By: Um pouco de tudo e tudo de nada - correndo atrás da máquina &#124; Blog do Urubatan</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Um pouco de tudo e tudo de nada - correndo atrás da máquina &#124; Blog do Urubatan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] que ajudam aresolver problemas? se você gosta deles, não permita que seus usuários leiam isto. O Guia de como criar os piores bugs reports possíveis, e pior, baseado em fatos [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] que ajudam aresolver problemas? se você gosta deles, não permita que seus usuários leiam isto. O Guia de como criar os piores bugs reports possíveis, e pior, baseado em fatos [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Fisher</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 05:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these years, I thought gcc being fucking slow was a feature, not a bug. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these years, I thought gcc being fucking slow was a feature, not a bug. <img src='http://rrr.thetruth.de/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Maik</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Maik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only problem I see with the original bug report is the total lack of humor by the gentoo devs. They are taking themselves way too serious. The report was over the top and hysterical by design, and it should have been taken lightly, maybe even answered in similar style. 
And then the bug should have been fixed, because it WAS totally braindead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only problem I see with the original bug report is the total lack of humor by the gentoo devs. They are taking themselves way too serious. The report was over the top and hysterical by design, and it should have been taken lightly, maybe even answered in similar style.<br />
And then the bug should have been fixed, because it WAS totally braindead.</p>
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		<title>By: warpedvisions.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bug reporting 101</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>warpedvisions.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bug reporting 101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] August 28th, 2007 in Links HOWTO (or not to) write a bug report. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] August 28th, 2007 in Links HOWTO (or not to) write a bug report. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tana</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Tana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes users come with really incredible ideas. And the worst is that they demand these ideas be implemented right away!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes users come with really incredible ideas. And the worst is that they demand these ideas be implemented right away!</p>
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		<title>By: gwenhwyfaer</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>gwenhwyfaer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny, isn&#039;t it? Being direct and blunt about rank stupidity when you find it is somehow a terrible thing to do, but snide passive-aggressive bitching behind that person&#039;s back is somehow OK?

Robert, the moral high ground is all the way up there, and the stream down here is starting to soak through your shoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny, isn&#8217;t it? Being direct and blunt about rank stupidity when you find it is somehow a terrible thing to do, but snide passive-aggressive bitching behind that person&#8217;s back is somehow OK?</p>
<p>Robert, the moral high ground is all the way up there, and the stream down here is starting to soak through your shoes.</p>
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		<title>By: jk</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>jk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rbu: Ah, that&#039;s good to hear, so did they do the Right Thing (tm)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbu: Ah, that&#8217;s good to hear, so did they do the Right Thing &#8482;?</p>
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		<title>By: nirs</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>nirs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is also the other side; how to create a bug tracker:

1. Confuse - show dozens of cryptic options and selection the typical bug reporter can&#039;t answer; &quot;select component&quot; - provide a long list of components to make sure the reporter fail. &quot;priority&quot; - the reporter have the big picture and should set the priority of the bug. &quot;severity&quot; - another opportunity to make it harder for the reporter. Yes, I&#039;m pointing at you bugzilla :-)

2. Make it hard to attach files - don&#039;t let the reporter attach files on the same form - that will be too easy, and we would like to waste his time. Make it fill another form to attach a file, and use multiple description fields to make him describe the same thing multiple times.

3. Ignore bug reports. If the reporter want someone to look at the bug, let him manually find the owner of the broken code, and add the owner email to the cc box.

4. Use multiple registration systems; I the user is registered on your wiki, require another login for the bug tracker. We worked hard on that code; the user should work hard too. If possible, apply draconian security measures; force the user to replace his password each month; allow only alpha-numeric characters in the password.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also the other side; how to create a bug tracker:</p>
<p>1. Confuse &#8211; show dozens of cryptic options and selection the typical bug reporter can&#8217;t answer; &#8220;select component&#8221; &#8211; provide a long list of components to make sure the reporter fail. &#8220;priority&#8221; &#8211; the reporter have the big picture and should set the priority of the bug. &#8220;severity&#8221; &#8211; another opportunity to make it harder for the reporter. Yes, I&#8217;m pointing at you bugzilla <img src='http://rrr.thetruth.de/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>2. Make it hard to attach files &#8211; don&#8217;t let the reporter attach files on the same form &#8211; that will be too easy, and we would like to waste his time. Make it fill another form to attach a file, and use multiple description fields to make him describe the same thing multiple times.</p>
<p>3. Ignore bug reports. If the reporter want someone to look at the bug, let him manually find the owner of the broken code, and add the owner email to the cc box.</p>
<p>4. Use multiple registration systems; I the user is registered on your wiki, require another login for the bug tracker. We worked hard on that code; the user should work hard too. If possible, apply draconian security measures; force the user to replace his password each month; allow only alpha-numeric characters in the password.</p>
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		<title>By: mind</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when linus or theo uses that writing style, others praise them as knowledgeable and assertive. you do get more results by being friendlier, but i&#039;m sure this guy is in a position where he spent a considerable amount of time wondering why things were so slow, and then finally found out it was due to a braindead decision of putting a possibly long-running shell script wrapper instead of a simple symlink to choose which gcc to run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when linus or theo uses that writing style, others praise them as knowledgeable and assertive. you do get more results by being friendlier, but i&#8217;m sure this guy is in a position where he spent a considerable amount of time wondering why things were so slow, and then finally found out it was due to a braindead decision of putting a possibly long-running shell script wrapper instead of a simple symlink to choose which gcc to run.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to mention the post was from the dietlibc author ;) Not that I have anything against that. Seeing it signed as the author of dietlibc was similar to the moment in jurassic park when she says &quot;This is UNIX, I know this!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to mention the post was from the dietlibc author <img src='http://rrr.thetruth.de/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Not that I have anything against that. Seeing it signed as the author of dietlibc was similar to the moment in jurassic park when she says &#8220;This is UNIX, I know this!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rbu</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>rbu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, sorry for being hard on your eyes. I had a look at some themes and didn&#039;t find any better yet :-/

jk, having actually looked at the code and the $PATH, I can say that the solution the reporter stated (putting a weird path in front of /usr/bin) is not the one ever taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, sorry for being hard on your eyes. I had a look at some themes and didn&#8217;t find any better yet :-/</p>
<p>jk, having actually looked at the code and the $PATH, I can say that the solution the reporter stated (putting a weird path in front of /usr/bin) is not the one ever taken.</p>
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		<title>By: jk</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>jk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha, the bug report is hilarious and the gentoo people answering it are morons and deserve to be insulted as much as possible.

I certainly understood the bug report and how to fix it, and the &quot;solution&quot; of addings some wierd directory to $PATH is ridiculous.

You just don&#039;t appreciate the fun of insulting people too stupid to  be aware of their own ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha, the bug report is hilarious and the gentoo people answering it are morons and deserve to be insulted as much as possible.</p>
<p>I certainly understood the bug report and how to fix it, and the &#8220;solution&#8221; of addings some wierd directory to $PATH is ridiculous.</p>
<p>You just don&#8217;t appreciate the fun of insulting people too stupid to  be aware of their own ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: David Mercer</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ech!  Miniscule gray-on-white text?  Can you please make this blog easier to read?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ech!  Miniscule gray-on-white text?  Can you please make this blog easier to read?</p>
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		<title>By: Volker</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Volker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is even more hilarious because it is Felix von Leitner
this Felix:
http://bulk.fefe.de/
and this one:
http://www.fefe.de/

as the person behind a lot of software projects (like dietlibc) and an author who even wrote for c&#039;t I would expect a much better behaviour. He made himself look very bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is even more hilarious because it is Felix von Leitner<br />
this Felix:<br />
<a href="http://bulk.fefe.de/" rel="nofollow">http://bulk.fefe.de/</a><br />
and this one:<br />
<a href="http://www.fefe.de/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fefe.de/</a></p>
<p>as the person behind a lot of software projects (like dietlibc) and an author who even wrote for c&#8217;t I would expect a much better behaviour. He made himself look very bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Vasiliy</title>
		<link>http://rrr.thetruth.de/2007/08/writing-a-bug-report/comment-page-1/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Vasiliy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is very exact: 
http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040319h.jpg
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is very exact:<br />
<a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040319h.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040319h.jpg</a><br />
 <img src='http://rrr.thetruth.de/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Salin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.  Although this user seemed to be in the &quot;funroll-loops.org&quot; style of gentoo user.  Some users are just going to be pissed because they had to do extra research (read forums, do some preliminary testing, stack traces, etc.) to scratch their issue.  We&#039;re well to be rid of users like these, let them go to other distros and harass them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  Although this user seemed to be in the &#8220;funroll-loops.org&#8221; style of gentoo user.  Some users are just going to be pissed because they had to do extra research (read forums, do some preliminary testing, stack traces, etc.) to scratch their issue.  We&#8217;re well to be rid of users like these, let them go to other distros and harass them.</p>
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